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stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 26, 2009 09:43AM

I've been going through the 2 vs 2 posts, to extract some stats.

Here's the stats about the winning side:

West wins: 33, probably 34
East wins: 44

North wins: 1
Northeast + southwest: 1

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 26, 2009 09:55AM

The number of times a land was in the west team (only lands that occurred more than once):

Ulster: 59
Northumberland: 5
Wales: 5
England: 3
Brittany: 2
Scotland: 2

Grenada: 27
Aquitaine: 17
Aragon: 12
Castile: 7
Provence: 6
Algiers: 2
Morocco: 2
Tangiers: 2
Tunis: 2
Gascony: 2

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 26, 2009 10:09AM

And the same for the eastern lands:

Lithuania: 39
Muscovy: 16
Prussia: 7
Podolia: 7
Ukraine: 2
Crimea: 2
Transsylvania: 2

Nicaea: 52
Greece: 8
Crete: 4/5
Macedonia: 3
Tunis: 3
Natolia: 2
Cyprus: 2

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 27, 2009 03:38AM

And the most interesting stats: Nr. of wins/losses per player. Only players with at least 2 games are included. Probably the numbers start to get reliable from at least 5 games onward, I'd say.

In more or less arbitrary order:

Player: Wins/Losses

Master: 30/3
DirtyHarry: 6/2
Xuul: 7/2
Oz: 6/6
IceQueen: 8/2
empError: 37/29.5
sixamplayer: 5/5
Xerxes: 2/1
LNO: 4.5/3
MrBeatnik: 1.5/1
godsent: 4/3
nen: 2/1
ghost: 1.5/1
dannyray: 4/5.5
FlashGordon: 1/2
Hubert: 5.5/1.5
hallali: 1/2.5
hst: 2/2.5
Paars: 2/2
King_Kent: 1/6
JaketheSnack: 0/2
jenny: 0/3
Rex: 2/3
V_M_Molotov: 3/0
Adrien: 4/1 (aliases Simme and SnoopDawg not included)
gun: 1/2
Lancelot: 2/2
jbf 2/2.5
james: 1/4
Lion: 0/2
osetsky: 1/1
Kobra: 1/1
neo: 2/1
Sargon: 3/7
Superfontane: 2/3
Resistante: 2/3
kalle: 0/4
IzzleKizzle: 1/1
Squeegie: 0/2
airmidlein: 0/3.5
acro: 1/1

Half points are due to substitutions.

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 27, 2009 04:33AM

sorry, there's a typo in master's numbers: it should be 10/3

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 27, 2009 09:02AM

About the most common maps, and their outcomes:

Considering maps with Ulster, Grenada, Nicaea, and a Russian land, the following outcomes have been reported:

Russian land - players west - players east - winning team - winning turn

Lithuania - Hubert, LNO - dannyray, empError - east - ?
Muscovy - Oz, Xuul - DirtyHarry, Master - east - fast
Lithuania - godsent, Kobra - Hubert, empError - east - 42
Lithuania - empError, LNO - bingo, Superfontane - west - 35
Lithuania - empError, PonyTail - KeyserSoze, nerox - west - 40
Lithuania - james, dannyray - empError, IceQueen - east - 32 (Ulster taken)
Muscovy - Resistante, TickTack - empError, Song_Jiang - east - 34
Livonia - Klats/LNO, Gratis - empError, JaketheSnack - west - 61

So, overall these maps seem to be well-matched: 5 east wins, vs. 3 west wins. Without Livonia, it would be 4 vs. 3. Muscovy seems to do better than Lithuania, for east, but the numbers are so small that firm conclusions can not be drawn. I'd rather say that stronger players tend to choose the weaker lands. Lithuania should be stronger than Muscovy, in any case.

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 28, 2009 12:28AM

Considering maps with Ulster, Aquitaine, Nicaea, and a Russian land, the following outcomes have been reported:


Russian land - players west - players east - winning team - winning turn

Podolia - Adriano, chr1sbean - Comnenus, Aida - west - 7 (should probably be discounted)
Transylvania - King_Kent, FlashGordon - ncklol, empError - east - >80
Podolia - DirtyHarry, Master - empError, SnoopDawg - west - 53
Muscovy - empError, kalle - Agrippina, Paars - east - 38
Lithuania - FlashGordon, jbf - Sargon, empError - west - 50 (Lithuania taken)
Prussia - sixamplayer, empError - Sargon, RIPPE - west - 44 (Prussia taken)
Lithuania - King_Kent, empError - sixamplayer, hallali - west - 36
Lithuania - sixamplayer, jbf/dannyray - empError, Lancelot - east - 35
Podolia - FlashGordon, gun - V_M_Molotov, empError - east - 30 (as I recall, this may have been Provence, instead of Aquitaine)
Muscovy - empError, Rrrrr - Rex, Adrien - east - 61
Muscovy - Andres, LNO - ghost, hst - west - 53 (Muscovy taken)
Muscovy - dannyray, kalle - Xuul, empError - east - 48
Ukraine - IceQueen, dannyray - empError, hst/godsent - west - 60
Lithuania - godsent/MrBeatnik, ? - Rex, empError - west - 47

Here it is conspicous that if a cap is taken, it is the Russian.

A total of 8 west wins, vs 6 east wins. Maybe the first match reported should not be considered, so then it would be 7 vs 6.

With Muscovy, there's 3 east wins vs 1 west win. With Lithuania, there's 3 west wins vs 1 east win. Ukraine and Prussia both have one defeat, and Transylvania has one victory. Podolia has a victory and one, maybe two defeats.

So as with Grenada, figures speak to the advantage of Muscovy over Lithuania. Besides a balancing with players, it may also be an effect of the unreliably small numbers.

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 28, 2009 12:39AM

And the same with Aragon:

Russian land - players west - players east - winning team - winning turn

Prussia - Oz, neo - empError, Agrippina/Slumdog - west - ?
Lithuania - Master, DirtyHarry - Adrien, Xuul - east - 50
Prussia - Hubert, empError - IceQueen, Superfontane - west - 29
Prussia - james, Oz - Superfontane, klats/empError - west - 55 (Ulster & Nicaea taken)
Lithuania - sixamplayer, jbf - Lancelot, empError - east - 6
Lithuania - Sargon/hallali, muriel - empError, LNO/live4games - east - 59
Lithuania - airmidlein, Hubert/hallali/Sovereign - Sargon, empError - east - 60
Lithuania - Xuul, Oz - Sargon/dd, empError - west - 60
Muscovy - empError, Sargon - Oz, Xuul - east - 21
Prussia - empError, MrBeatnik - Resistante, godsent - west - 45

Overall, 5 wins for each side. Prussia lost 4 times, with no wins. 4 wins and 1 loss for Lithuania. And one win for Muscovy.

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: empError ()
Date: November 28, 2009 02:32AM

Disclaimer: No rights can be claimed based on the posts in this thread.

I caution against some mistakes I may have made. In particular, I tend to confuse godsent with ghost. And on occasion, I may have erred in the lands: Musc - Lith, or Aqui - Prov, for example. I may have made errors copying info. from the posts into an excel sheet, too.

I may have forgotten to post a few battles. Also, posts by others tend to be highly selective, e.g. one by Adrien in which he beat master, but no posts on his defeats, which I bet there were too.

But overall, the picture should be ok.

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Re: stats 2 vs 2
Posted by: LikeNoOthers ()
Date: November 28, 2009 11:02AM

Lithuania - godsent/MrBeatnik, ? - Rex, empError - west - 47

? should be Gratis

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