So your line of reasoning is as long as I'm not Turkish myself, I can not be offended by your racist comments regarding Muslims and Turks?

Why then are you highly offended at anti-semitism?

Are you a Jew Adriano? You say not. But why then is it offensive to you?



The xenophobia, racism, homophobia you regularly spouist at people is highly offensive, no matter if they are what you call them. I get offended when someone calls me a Nigger, or gay, or a Nazi etc etc. This counts for everyone in normal society. Please think before you speak.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2011 06:48AM by Xi.

the line in the sand is the line you draw, the community will tell you if it is acceptable or not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2011 07:30AM by -RIPPE-.

Yesterday i recieved the mail from Best, but i have not been having any time to post it. But here it comes, its all in German.


hallo alle miteinander,
es tut mir leid das ich in deutsch anworten muss .. mein english ist leider sehr bescheiden XD.. mein hochdeutsch auch.

wie schnell man hier die massen gegen jemand bewegen kann sehe ich mal wieder live.

don fühlt sich angegriffen weil ich lügender jude zu attila gesagt habe !!! gemein, oder?
um die frage zu klären ob es so war , ja das habe ich gesagt und dazu stehe ich... interessant finde ich auch das ich deswegen als antisemitisch/judenfeindlich hier abgestempelt werde ?

um mal eines aufzuklären ich werde hier als nazi, fag, moron, dumb , und 1000 andere worte von attila beschimpft.. (bevor ich lügender jude gesagt habe) und darauf habe ich dem idioten gesagt er ist ein verlogender jude um ihn eine bestätigung zu geben weil ich ja nur ein dummer deutscher nazi bin...
bin ich nur weil ich deustch bin nun der obernazi? oder wie? bzw. ich stell mich mal dumm.. darf man nicht verlogender jude sagen? bzw ich weil ich deutsch bin? über die christen hab ich noch viel mehr .. bin selber einer. das was hier viele nicht sehen ist das was mich ärgert.. das attila hier mein seinem mundwerk die community terrorisiert. er labert fast jeden dumm an.. die mit ihm zusammen spielen oder gegen ihn, er nutzt es doch nur aus bzw don um mich in eine ecke der antisemiten zu stellen aber don kapiert es nicht , spielt hier lieber den eingeschnappten. weil er nicht genügen zuspruch bekommt das ich der oberjudenhasser bin.... der ICH nicht bin.. was ich hasse sind religionen die ander in ihrer lebensart beeinflussen.. und das machen alle religionen ... juden , christen, moslems usw.


das hauptproblem ... attila.

bei allem respekt das wird hier übers bannen gesprochen , sehen ich auch ein wenn hier nazi´s sind die den holocoust verleugnen und sich übers vergasen der juden lustig machen.
ich wünschte sogar hier wäre 24/7 tage die woche ein admin und würde alles lesen auch das was geflüstert wird. das würde es attila schon lange nicht mehr geben, man dieser spieler verfügt über mehr wie 5 registrierte logins ... wie kann man so jemanden denn glaueben. mir schrieb ihr er will mir noch ne chance geben.. als ob er in der lage ist mich zu fragen das ich mich entschuldigen müsste. eher sollte er mich fragen .. aber von ihm sind nun mal so viele sachen ausgegangen, wie diese hetzkampagne dank dem worldwideweb das ich ihn nicht vergeben werde .

best = toller name, oder?
mein name vorher war nosy, nur als mein passwort wegwar und ich nach mehrmaligen anschreiben der admins kein neues bekommen habe , nannte ich mich best , passt gut um top-player zu ärgern... funzte auch xD.
jeder der mich kennt weiss das ich niemand grundlos anmache und auch nicht quitte... viele spielen gerne in meinen 3vs3 räumen weil ich trotz der 2000 leitung immer ein probleimfreier host bin.
da ich schonmal dabei bin, wenn ich sage 3vs3 plz no noobs bzw beginners ... meine ich nicht das ich was gegen anfänger habe , nur ist es schade für die zeit ist, wenn du nen belehrungsfreien anfänger im team hast der dich dann noch anpöpelt ... ein teamgame ist zwecklos wenn der in runde 25 noch alles primitiv um sich hat. einige spieler die neu angefangen sind habe gerne mitgespielt , weil sie dankbar waren für die tips, sind nur leider zu wenige.

es sollten auch einige akzeptieren das wenn der host bestimmte spieler nicht erwünscht sie gehen müssen, aida und attila joinen mit absicht meine räume um anderen das spiel zu verderben.. die wissen genaus das ich nicht mit ihnen starte und deswegen ab un zu passwordgames erstelle.

daher bitte admins bann und sperrt attila and aida. bzw mutet die ..

wie toll das ich mich hier rechtfertigen muss durch die ganzen intrigen und wie viele mit auf dem zug springen... nur lol kann ich sagen.
ich bin nie im forum, habe aber durch andere spieler gehört was da steht.

admins bitte macht nen mapcreator und ne kickfunktion für den host.

schon mal besten dank an lno für den post da ich mich nicht einloggen kann im forum, master meinte ist ein bug

jeder gute spieler weiss was zu tun ist , viel hängt vom glück ab. ( sollten auch die akzeptieren die wohl zu den angeblichen top10 gehören ^^)

grüsse an alle mit den ich spiel bzw die mich kennen, @ hallali, icequeen, lno, master, paars, noobness, fap_fap_fap, reynard, moneymaker, lexicondevil, comnenus, ibg, king_kent, malakira, squeegie, krazykat, keyzersoze, madwurst and and and

achja scheiss deutsches pack hier in meinem land...
falls ich was vergessen habe bzw nicht verstanden habe, bitte melden, ich beantworte es dann

propaganda im www.... ganz leicht gemacht .. ask attila

Now this is really interesting...

Best admits saying "lying jew" and thereby I have not been lying although Hallali like to believe that. (despite the previous episodes with best using "jew" in a negative way, which Hallali and LNO confirms) I am glad we got that cleared up, then we don't need the screenshot I never took. On a further note, he also says he stand by using that remark, and legitimate it with an feud Attila and him has going on - which I have nothing to do with. I have tried in chat - several times - to explain to Best, which LNO also have tried without succes, that no matter how provoked he gets, then he cant use that to legitimize antisemitic language. In the light of Best own post(through LNO) then I think it is the moderators job to make him aware of such - if we can agree that antisemitic language is not something we want in the conqueror community? Personally I had hoped for Best to realized that himself and pull back the remark, and apologize for it - he could always stand by him thinking, what he think about Attila - although, if he still see him as a lying jew in his own mind, then I do think Best have a sad issue, but that we can't help him with here, only make him realize that this community don't like that way of thinking, and that it does not accept that way of speaking here.

I think XI had some good points about drawing a line in the sand. I don't think the members of the community can handle it amongst themselves. Also it would make it easier for people to respond to bad behavior in a more correct way. A 1 day ban doesnt mean the end of the world, but it do send a warning and a message to the one getting it. Personally Im most into - having a talk with the person, then a yellow card and if then nothing works, then the red card is fine.

Also if people want to turn this into a thread about another issue, which seems to be Attila, then I think they should go create a new thread. tyvm. Now I can only be sad about the unfounded accusations Hallali have made against me, which I find highly inappropriate for a moderator to do. Answering me in a pm, she didnt even want to do, because there was no screenshot. Now we don't need it, but that doesn't change things for her I guess.

OK, bottom line. I apologize to all I insulted. I know I did, and I know I will do it again, although I think I've been pretty succesful at keeping it at a minimum lately, if I may say so myself. But that's just me. I'm an asshole, this is the best i can offer :) On the other hand, I never wish anyone real harm. Not even nosy :) He just has something that ticks me off enormously. And I know I'm not the only one, paars has the same with him. Still, I wish him know harm. Except that he will never win a conqueror game. hehe :)

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hmm nice to see something german. i like best´s pm. didnt knew that he is a little neonazi! in reallife i call my friends all the time damn jew, gay or something else like they do to me.
i thougt attile is adia but i really dont care :-P the important thing is that he is a damn jew!
oh and xi f*** you really :-P

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dont take my post to serious. its just a game and we all should be friends. did you all forgot that we are all from the same species so there is no black or white! what would you guys do if we all meet in rl =)?(ganghug!)
and attile? i like this guy and never saw that he insulted anybody(who didnt deserved it, like noobs in tg). well maybe i didnt saw it

Partly true, Best used to set me off. But he did change his attitude, so did I.
I also agree that Attila's attitude in general is not as extreme as it was in the past.

of course it is antisemitic to use terms like "lying jew", even among friends. i think it is pretty sad for one of german origin to show so little historical awareness and most of all respect to the million innocent victims of the naziterror to use these antisemitic terms easily.
i am very sorry for my german brothers who have not realized yet that our historical awareness is the true richness of germany today. looking at how so many countries deal with their past i feel proud of the many critical voices within germany and it ashames me a lot when i have to hear that dumb emotionless people mindlessly lose this achievement.
"lying jew" is exactly what nazi propaganda has told people in germany to say and to think and you, my german brothers should think more then twice before using words like these, it really doesnt honor you in any way and it is not funny.
if you think, "man rippe, relax!" i can just say to you, imagine your beloved ones taken away and tortured to death for no reason. show some respect or you really deserve to get banned for being a motherfucking asshole who brings shame to not just the german people but all mankind.

Now Rippe, transfer all these feelings of anger and hate and the dark side to someone who feels equally emotive about homophobia, or sexism. Then I hope you can see your ex post facto approach to moderation will leave alot of people insulted and abused before someone, who may not have such strong feelings on the matter, decides to punish or not to punish.

For example I find WW2 jokes funny which others get offended by.
I find homophobic jokes juvenile which others find funny.

There is a need for clear and equal rules for everyone, not some cherry-picking approach of "someone will decide what is offensive after it has been said to someone else".

The username AdolfHitler is not tolerated. What about PolPot? JosephStalin? IdiAmin? Millions of people tortured and killed. What is the difference? The difference is how we are individually offended by a certain name or "joke".

Moderators do something contructive for the community and make a clear set of rules. Apathy is not a position.

Funny BTW, I'm curious if he's aware that you are Madwurst :)
But I'm really at loss what to do with a person so full of genuine hate. Reading his post again, it's telling how he justifies his own actions and words while he tries to scapegoat and isolate me instead (doesn't work sorry, BTW, Hauptproblem - Endlosung?). But it sure says something about his thinking patterns. Nazi or not anno 2011, but it gives a clue about what colour shirt he would have worn 70 yrs ago.
I think I'll just let it go. He obviously has no intention to apologize. I did on my part, but he didn't accept that. I don't know which of the 2 is more sad. It's depressing to think that there are people so full of genuine hate in this world.

xi you stupid motherfucker better shut up now, dont use my harsh words i have for best or live to school me you dumbass. what makes me angry is that if you piss off someone by using inappropriate language and you decide to stand by your words you should come up with something smarter to defend yourself. your type is in no way better then best or anyone else. what i said is still as true as before bests statement, there is no further need for witchhunting or mobbing. to me you longing for a all present moderator and denying the ability of the community to control these kind of situations is nazi spirit at its best, so shut the fuck up you damn moron.

this topic is the best prove that there is no need for more moderation.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 11:15AM by -RIPPE-.

-RIPPE- Wrote:
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> angry words

Deep breaths Rippe. In....and out. And in....and out.

Your constructive post Rippe has some flaws I'd like to point out.

First, there is no need for language or abuse, it doesn't affect me but does a good job of making you look juvenile, foolish and lacking in vocabulary. I understand you have an issue with Germany's Nazi past and therefore Best's remarks. You clearly feel strongly about it. It proves my point about people being offended at different things to different degrees. Thanks.

Secondly, saying my remarks (by which I assume you mean my arguments for more protection against abuse, such as you are currently spouting at me) are equal to anti-semitic remarks is in very bad taste and undermines you attempt to argue with me in any rational manner.

Thirdly, to suggest I have a Nazi spirit for wanting an ever-present moderator (which I don't) and denying the ability for the community to deal with abuse (I want the exact opposite - a set of community agreed rules) is offensive to me and would like to see you reprimanded for it. You will escape it ofcourse, since your sister is a moderator. Stop comparing efforts to curb abusive behaviour to Nazism, it makes you look foolish, again.

The fact this thread was even created and has lasted so long is proof of the need for more active form of moderation.

I'm looking forward to your carefully considered response. Something tells me though...

i dont mind being offensive to you, cuz i just dont care. in fact you discuss on this childish smartass level. the wish for a strong frameset of rules to work out moral identity, i do consider as nazi spirit. religious behaviour, for me, in this context is nazi spirit too. it is my personal opinion and i dont fear to get banned cuz if any moderator (my sis isnt the only mod) decides to do so, i will accept it and play something else. contrary to you i am not a cocky smartass. consider that.

Re: Happy Conqueroring - except if you are jewish :-( new
Posted by: Xi ()
Date: February 06, 2011 03:48AM


"Moderators do something contructive for the community and make a clear set of rules. Apathy is not a position".


This is Alexey's game, and we moderators simply do not have the authority to make a clear set of rules. We have just been asked to follow our own common sense. The moderators and admins do not accept any kind of racism or mobbing ofc which should be clear to everyone by now.

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> hurf i am not a cocky smartass blurf

Smart you are not, we can agree on that point. An ass however...let's agree to disagree there.

Best does not mind being offensive to Jews, because he just doesn't care. That is no defense. You know as well as I do that the reason your abuse is tolerated is because you are friends and family with the moderators. The fact no one objects to your rants and raves about Nazi this and Nazi that is not because they think your rants are not ludicrous and irrational, but because you add to the conqueror community in other ways. Therefore your outbursts can be tolerated and ignored. And if you think having a discussion without flinging random insults at people with different views that you is childish, I'm afraid that says more about you than it does about me.

Master if you can not even make the slightest decision yourself, then post your own "common sense" so people approximately know what abuse they simply have to accept because Master does not deem it insulting enough. I know you don't play lately but you should maybe sit in a teamgame a few times and see the state of the game before you disregard this simple request.

sorry rippe but what do you say if people call you a lying christ? if i called somenone a christ he dont care but if i say jew suddenly its a insult, but this isnt fair for the christs they want too an insult :-P(i could tell you now a little story from school what happen there..). if everybody is a nazi because they say words like lying jew then i wouldnt have a nice future lol. if a black guy says nigga its cool but if a whiteguy tell a blacky that hes a nigga then your racist(is everywhere abit diffrent..) but i never said to a black guy nigger. i dont care about things like this(maybe i should mention that im half black but, i hope you dont think diffrent about me now, bc then ur a racist! :-P) i dont think here are any real nazis, but if there are some they really should get banned.
so.. who will open the next topic: Happy Conqueroring - except if you are a women :-( (oh god l4g you little sexist!)
haupt-problem = main-problem



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 02:29PM by live4games.

calling someone a lying jew doesnt make you a nazi but is just bad style. the thing is you dont call someone a lying christ and thats exactly why it is antisemitic. please dont open a new pseudo debate since you know exactly well what i mean.

I have already said in many many times throughout this thread Xi, and this will be the last time:

I do not tolerate racism, mobbing and spamming (neither do the other moderators).

If you feel that you have been offended by anyone then post a screenshot, and ill take a look at it.

And "no" I do not accept abuse. Even though you are clearly trying to provoke me by saying I do.

I simply do not understand why this is so difficult for you people, and why you keep repeating yourself. Please put it to rest now.

I have already told Best that he should not write stuff like that in conq again.
If he does then post a pm to me.

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> I have already told Best that he should not write
> stuff like that in conq again.
> If he does then post a pm to me.

@Master: I am glad that you have reacted, and that you write it in here. Kudos.

@live4games: I dont think you understand the historical implications of that very expression. As I explained earlier in this thread, then the expression origins from the nazi propaganda, and using terms like that have a extremely provoking effect on jews. If you say "Lying Christian", then it of course is wrong to put all christians in one category, but the expressions doesn't have the exact same meaning, It is all about the historical implications of it.

@Rippe: Your post earlier was somewhat more clear than your previous post, and it was well received from my part. I do again apologize for my initial fault regarding Germany, and your post justifies why I should apologize there.

I had hoped that Hallali would have came public and explaining her friend Best, that he cant use personal feuds as an excuse for antisemitic langauge.