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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: October 23, 2007 05:10PM

Jesper: I agree with what you wrote... but think you may have missed that:

1) The ladder has become, to quote Jynxxx, "unreasonably unactive" recently... for example since encouraging XuuL's challenge I've been waiting for a rematch to either retake my spot or cede it for over five weeks.

2) Jynxxx's had originally built in a solution with the idea that everyone should have a chance to play and if they do well climb up, so top players needed to play weekly or drop at least one rung. I've probably done wrong by waiting so long to apply this... since by now XuuL could have dropped at least five spots from inactivity anyways... though I doubt he would have... with the rule applied we probably have had a lot more activity and chances for XuuL to remain near or at the top.

Anyhow... it's kind of moot short-term... since XuuL is a good guy and we'll hopefully connect for a rematch Saturday or sometime soon, but longer-term (at least until there's a better in-game system) I hope that we don't just let the ladder lockup again, whether with me or XuuL or anyone else.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: XuuL ()
Date: October 25, 2007 08:05AM

the problem with any rule of how to decrease in the ladder is the judgement... who will judge why someone hasnt played for a week? maybe he was online several hours but noone wanted to play him - what was happening to me twice

maybe we can make a fix timespan of 5 hours when both timezones of america and europe meet (sth like early or late sunday) and we all play ladder at that time... if someone doesnt appear... he decreases by one place

guess we would need a ladder admin who manages that stuff

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: XuuL ()
Date: October 25, 2007 12:16PM

i played 1 game versus YAHG and won

1. XuuL
2. Hallali
3. Paars
4. Hmmm
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Jynxxx
10. Perfect
11. PV_Mercenary
12. Icadil
13. Keira
14. Svendborg
15. Osetsky
16. PV_thered
17. Roach
18. Furycan
19. Menegoyt
20. Tinydancer
21. Antt
22. YAHG

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: jynx ()
Date: October 25, 2007 12:49PM

Osetsky beat me, last night, expected him to post it, but anyways.

1. XuuL
2. Hallali
3. Paars
4. Hmmm
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Jynxxx
11. Perfect
12. PV_Mercenary
13. Icadil
14. Keira
15. Svendborg
16. PV_thered
17. Roach
18. Furycan
19. Menegoyt
20. Tinydancer
21. Antt
22. YAHG

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: October 25, 2007 07:30PM

XuuL:
1) "Who will judge" is simple. Per the early posts what counts and resets the clock on our slippery ladder is wins or lossses posted by or for the player on this forum, which is how I counted the five or six weeks of inactivity. If a top player can't find the time to play or doesn't find a game when they drop by for a week or more they slip a rung... but as CaptPlanet indicated a strong player can easily bounce back up later... especially since the other high-ranked players will need to play to keep their own rank!

2) I admire your idea of getting the timezones to intersect is interesting but seems hard to coordinate.

3) So far everyone seems to have posted honorably, so I think (1) is enough and that we can run the ladder colletively (I was just too slow to impose jynxxx's rule), but I certainly agree that a ladder admin (e.g. jynxxx or yourself?) is reasonable.

Finally your ladder game against YAHG (welcome to the ladder YAHG!) is enough to reset the clock from my perspective... and I'll hope that we overlap this weekend anyways.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Captain Planet ()
Date: October 26, 2007 08:09AM

By playing someone who was never on the ladder?

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: October 26, 2007 04:58PM

CaptPlanet makes an intriguing point... but, though I'm probably just being overly generous again, I'd prefer to just ignore all the previous lapses and restart the clock now anyways.

For the record I also just won a 1v1 with Jynxxx... my first game with less than 4 AIs (we had two) which was kind of interesting.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hallali ()
Date: October 27, 2007 11:22AM

I beat Svendborg, no changes

1. Xuul
2. Hallali
3. Paars
4. Hmmm
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Jynxxx
11. Perfect
12. PV_Mercenary
13. Icadil
14. Keira
15. Svendborg
16. PV_thered
17. Roach
18. Furycan
19. Menegoyt
20. Tinydancer
21. Antt
22. YAHG

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: October 27, 2007 02:14PM

XuuL crushed me 2-0 in AI-less games. No ladder changes per se, but maybe a good time to start noting the last time folks played -- I'm adding month and day in GMT time for the last posted ladder games played starting with tonight's -- so we can keep the ladder current and apply the slipperiness starting next weekend with less controversy.

To recap, the way it works is that each player without recent posted games slips down the ladder below the next current player, normally by one rung (but sometimes more if the player under them is slipping too) for every 7 days since their last recorded game. For example I have until 11/4 to play again... otherwise I'd slip down at midnight of 11/4 (either staying above Liquid if he doesn't come back, or sliding together if neither of us had been around)... and if I still stay away I'd slip again 11/11, etc... but I could stop the slide and reset the clock by playing another posted ladder game.

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 10/26)
3. Paars
4. Hmmm (last game 10/27)
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Jynxxx
11. Perfect
12. PV_Mercenary
13. Icadil
14. Keira
15. Svendborg (last game 10/26)
16. PV_thered
17. Roach
18. Furycan
19. Menegoyt
20. Tinydancer
21. Antt
22. YAHG

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: jynx ()
Date: October 27, 2007 09:54PM

Posting dates is a nice idea, keeps it simple. Instead of going through previous posts and finding the persons last game.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Gar_Fonz ()
Date: October 28, 2007 05:56PM

I beat Jynxxx on 10-28

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 10/26)
3. Paars
4. Hmmm (last game 10/27)
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Jynxxx
11. Perfect
12. PV_Mercenary
13. Icadil
14. Keira
15. Svendborg (last game 10/26)
16. PV_thered
17. Roach
18. Furycan
19. Menegoyt
20. Tinydancer
21. Antt
22. YAHG
23. Gar_Fonz

I didn't know, should put my name above Jynxxx cause I beat him?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/28/2007 06:00PM by Gar_Fonz.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: jynx ()
Date: October 28, 2007 07:16PM

Yep

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 10/26)
3. Paars
4. Hmmm (last game 10/27)
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28)
11. Jynxxx (last game 10/28)
12. Perfect
13. PV_Mercenary
14. Icadil
15. Keira
16. Svendborg (last game 10/26)
17. PV_thered
18. Roach
19. Furycan
20. Menegoyt
21. Tinydancer
22. Antt
23. YAHG




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/28/2007 07:16PM by jynx.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Menegoyt ()
Date: October 29, 2007 12:27PM

Beat Svendborg on 10/29. 4 ranks up for me.

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 10/26)
3. Paars
4. Hmmm (last game 10/27)
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28)
11. Jynxxx (last game 10/28)
12. Perfect
13. PV_Mercenary
14. Icadil
15. Keira
16. Menegoyt (last game 10/29)
17. Svendborg (last game 10/29)
18. PV_thered
19. Roach
20. Furycan
21. Tinydancer
22. Antt
23. YAHG

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: October 31, 2007 03:10PM

I got a concession from Paars... but only thanks to lots of help from an AI. I may be outmatched in a fairer fight. Looking forward to the rematch!

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 10/26)
3. Hmmm (last game 11/1)
4. Paars (last game 11/1)
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28)
11. Jynxxx (last game 10/28)
12. Perfect
13. PV_Mercenary
14. Icadil
15. Keira
16. Menegoyt (last game 10/29)
17. Svendborg (last game 10/29)
18. PV_thered
19. Roach
20. Furycan
21. Tinydancer
22. Antt
23. YAHG

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Menegoyt ()
Date: November 03, 2007 03:26AM

Played a well-balanced game with Master til server disconnected both. A promising new member on the ladder. To make the ladder more informative I'm adding my overall fighting record (w-d-l).

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 10/26)
3. Hmmm (last game 11/1)
4. Paars (last game 11/1)
5. Liquid
6. Soccer543
7. Hero
8. Jenny
9. Osetsky
10. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28)
11. Jynxxx (last game 10/28)
12. Perfect
13. PV_Mercenary
14. Icadil
15. Keira
16. Menegoyt 1-2-1 (11/3)
17. Svendborg (last game 10/29)
18. PV_thered
19. Roach
20. Furycan
21. Tinydancer
22. Antt
23. YAHG
24. Master (11/3)

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Menegoyt ()
Date: November 03, 2007 06:27AM

Beat Hallali by luck. In the rematch she was, as usual, far better than me and hammered me to the ground. My present rank will not last very long, I suppose.

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 11/3)
3. Menegoyt 2-2-2 (11/3)
4. Hmmm (last game 11/1)
5. Paars (last game 11/1)
6. Liquid
7. Soccer543
8. Hero
9. Jenny
10. Osetsky
11. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28)
12. Jynxxx (last game 10/28)
13. Perfect
14. PV_Mercenary
15. Icadil
16. Keira
17. Svendborg (last game 10/29)
18. PV_thered
19. Roach
20. Furycan
21. Tinydancer
22. Antt
23. YAHG
24. Master (11/3)

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: XuuL ()
Date: November 03, 2007 08:48AM

i dont have enough time to play at least one ladder game a week, so plz take me out

good luck to all!!!

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: November 03, 2007 10:59AM

XuuL (and everyone else): you don't have to play a ladder game a week to participate.

For example even if you couldn't play any games for a whole month you'd only slide down four times (possibly even four places), which hardly seems unreasonable. And since anyone can challenge anyone on the ladder you can get back where you started or higher with just one game!

If you still want off the ladder, just announce your retirement and remove yourself from the rankings.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: November 03, 2007 01:11PM

I lost a challenge and won a 2nd vs. Menegoyt. Also less than an hour until eveyrone without last game >= 10/28 is a week or more out of date and slips down.

1. Xuul (last game 10/27)
2. Hallali (last game 11/3)
3. Hmmm (last game 11/3)
4. Menegoyt (last game 11/3)
5. Paars (last game 11/1)
6. Liquid
7. Soccer543
8. Hero
9. Jenny
10. Osetsky
11. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28)
12. Jynxxx (last game 10/28)
13. Perfect
14. PV_Mercenary
15. Icadil
16. Keira
17. Svendborg (last game 10/29)
18. PV_thered
19. Roach
20. Furycan
21. Tinydancer
22. Antt
23. YAHG
24. Master (11/3)

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: November 03, 2007 02:10PM

OK... it's now 11/4 GMT so everyone with a game >= 10/28 is a week or more out of date and slips down. Updated ladder going into 11/4 below, plus a note of who's current or how many times folks have slipped to make it easier to correctly update the ladder going forwards.

Also note that e.g. Gar_Fonz and Jynxxx with "last game 10/28" each have 24 hours to record a new game or they slip once, etc. There's also a bunch of folks without games in the last week.

Hopefully this will make the whole ladder somewhat more active and interesting.

1. Hallali (last game 11/3 => current)
2. XuuL (last game 10/27 => slipped once)
3. Hmmm (last game 11/3 => current)
4. Menegoyt (last game 11/3 => current)
5. Paars (last game 11/1 => current)
6. Gar_Fonz (last game 10/28 => current)
7. Liquid (last game ??? => slipped once)
8. Soccer543 (last game ??? => slipped once)
9. Hero (last game ??? => slipped once)
10. Jenny (last game ??? => slipped once)
11. Osetsky (last game ??? => slipped once)
12. Jynxxx (last game 10/28 => slipped once)
13. Svendborg (last game 10/29 => current)
14. Perfect (last game ??? => slipped once)
15. PV_Mercenary (last game ??? => slipped once)
16. Icadil (last game ??? => slipped once)
17. Keira (last game ??? => slipped once)
18. Master (11/3 => current)
19. PV_thered (last game ??? => slipped once)
20. Roach (last game ??? => slipped once)
21. Furycan (last game ??? => slipped once)
22. Tinydancer (last game ??? => slipped once)
23. Antt (last game ??? => slipped once)
24. YAHG (last game ??? => slipped once)

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