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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: jesper ()
Date: November 19, 2007 12:57PM

Hi

I beat Jenny.

regards
Svendborg aka Jesper

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Menegoyt ()
Date: November 20, 2007 03:49AM

Jesper, please post it next time with an updated ladder. Btw: There are some players who were inactive for over a week. But that's hmmmm's job. :-)

1. Hmmm (last game 11/17)
2. XuuL (last slip 11/11)
3. Menegoyt (last game 11/15)
4. Hallali (last slip 11/17)
5. Liquid (last slip 11/11)
6. Soccer543 (last slip 11/11)
7. Hero (last slip 11/11)
8. Jynxxx (last game 11/15)
9. Paars (last game 11/14)
10. Svendborg (last game 11/19)
11. Jenny (last game 11/19)
12. Gar_Fonz (last slip 11/12)
13. Osetsky (last slip 11/11)
14. PV_Mercenary (last slip 11/11)
15. Icadil (last slip 11/11)
16. Keira (last slip 11/11)
17. Master (last game 11/13)
18. Perfect (last slip 11/15)
19. empError (last game 11/11)
20. IBG (first game 11/17)

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: November 20, 2007 01:24PM

Darn. Hoped someone else (Menegoyt!) would step in here. Oh well... updating with the latest slippages:

1. Hmmm (last game 11/17)
2. Menegoyt (last game 11/15)
3. Hallali (last slip 11/17)
4. XuuL (last slip 11/18)
5. Jynxxx (last game 11/15)
6. Paars (last game 11/14)
7. Svendborg (last game 11/19)
8. Jenny (last game 11/19)
9. Liquid (last slip 11/18)
10. Soccer543 (last slip 11/18)
11. Hero (last slip 11/18)
12. Master (last game 11/13)
13. Gar_Fonz (last slip 11/19)
14. Osetsky (last slip 11/18)
15. PV_Mercenary (last slip 11/18)
16. Icadil (last slip 11/18)
17. Keira (last slip 11/18)
18. Perfect (last slip 11/15)
19. IBG (first game 11/17)
20. empError (last slip 11/18)

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: -RIPPE- ()
Date: November 20, 2007 04:05PM

ridiculous!

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: November 24, 2007 03:17PM

I survived IBG's challenge tonight as my final one on this ladder. Playing has been fun, but the pressure to near/at the top has begun feeling more like work than play, and I really can't be stuck as maintainer either.

Hopefully we can get an in-game and/or point based ladder in the future.

My parting compliments to XuuL (who IIRC won all but one of our 1v1s) and anyone else that beat me less frequently (Menegoyt, Hallai, and anyone I may have forgotten) while I was on!

My final update for playing IBG, slippages (which are especially tricky to apply retroactively!) and removing myself:

1. Hallali (last slip 11/17)
2. Svendborg (last game 11/19)
3. XuuL (last slip 11/25)
4. Menegoyt (last slip 11/22)
5. Jynxxx (last slip 11/22)
6. Paars (last slip 11/21)
7. Jenny (last game 11/19)
8. Liquid (last slip 11/25)
9. Soccer543 (last slip 11/25)
10. Hero (last slip 11/25)
11. Gar_Fonz (last slip 11/19)
12. Osetsky (last slip 11/25)
13. PV_Mercenary (last slip 11/25)
14. Icadil (last slip 11/25)
15. Keira (last slip 11/25)
16. IBG (last game 11/25)
17. Perfect (last slip 11/22)
18. Master (last slip 11/20)
19. empError (last slip 11/25)

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Myopia ()
Date: November 26, 2007 12:21PM

I beat Jenny, but to be fair the AI beat her more than I did.

1. Hallali (last slip 11/17)
2. Svendborg (last game 11/19)
3. XuuL (last slip 11/25)
4. Menegoyt (last slip 11/22)
5. Jynxxx (last slip 11/22)
6. Paars (last slip 11/21)
7. Myopia
8. Jenny (last game 11/19)
9. Liquid (last slip 11/25)
10. Soccer543 (last slip 11/25)
11. Hero (last slip 11/25)
12. Gar_Fonz (last slip 11/19)
13. Osetsky (last slip 11/25)
14. PV_Mercenary (last slip 11/25)
15. Icadil (last slip 11/25)
16. Keira (last slip 11/25)
17. IBG (last game 11/25)
18. Perfect (last slip 11/22)
19. Master (last slip 11/20)
20. empError (last slip 11/25)


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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: empError ()
Date: December 04, 2007 11:51AM

As jenny left our 1 vs 1, I guess that makes me the winner.

Only my 2nd official 1v1 so far.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 23, 2008 12:07PM

Well, I am going to update the ladder every week from now on.
I'll make some 1 on 1 official ladder maps.
If interested about joining the ladder, don't forget to mention it.

First step: Find a new ladder system. Players won't have to post the whole ladder anymore, they'll just have to tell me the results, that are going to be posted in the weekly update.

If Jynx doesn't agree with this (he created the topic after all...) I give him one week to say so.

But if he does (or remains silent), I'll post the new ladder system on january, 30.
And more important, i'll post the latest results.
The old rankings will remain the same for active players.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 24, 2008 12:48PM

UNOFFICIAL CONQUEROR LADDER

[Rank] [Title] [Results] [Total Points]

1.Salmacis [Some Arrogant Frenchy] [+20 Master] [999552]
2.Master [The Almighty One!] [-20 Salmacis] [-3456]

Just a test.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 24, 2008 01:08PM

____________________Unofficial Conqueror Ladder_________________________

[Rank.Nickname]___[Title]___________________[Results]____________________[Total Points]

01.Salmacis_______[Some Arrogant Frenchy]___[+20 Master]_________________[999552]
02.Master_________[The Almighty One!]_______[-20 Salmacis]_______________[-3456]

Test take two. I'm so sorry.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 28, 2008 08:42AM

In two days, I'll post the first ladder board!
I'm posting the rules right now so we can talk about it.

To the elders:

The players in the top ten of the old ladder system will ALL start with 10 points and their rank won't change.
I really hope that at least one of them will talk with me (either in a bad or a good way) about this new ladder system.

How to read the ladder board?
In a first post, i'll post the results and the point loss.
Exemple:
"Week 1, Month 1
Salmacis vs Xuul, Xuul wins. Xuul get 2 points + 0 ranking bonus point + 4 straight wins point. Xuul get 6 points.
Paars vs Soccer 543, Paars wins... etc
[...]
This week, Tinydancer didn't play any ladder game, he loses one point"
In a second post, you will find rankings, nicknames, A.K.A, and total points of the players.

How to get points:

-You'll win 2 points for each victory.
-Plus one point if the ladder ranking of your opponent is superior to 3.
Exemple:
You are rank 9 and you win against the 1st : Your point total will increase by 2+(1*3)=5.
-Winning streaks also bring points. Quite simple: If you win 30 games in a row, you'll get 30 extra point.
-A draw resets the winning streak and gives only one point to the lower ranking player.
-Each month, the first player will be overcrowned Emperor and will get 6 extra points, and also,
he will keep his points even if he doesnt play any ladder games in the following month. (Next emperor in February 27).
-Each week, i'll pick a funny quote in the lobby, or in a game, and will grant the author one extra point! It's "the quote of the week".

Losing points:

-If you don't play any ladder game during one week, you will lose one point.
-If you don't play for two weeks, you'll lose 4.
-If you don't play for a month, you will lose 10 points, and your winning streak will be reseted.

Additional rules:

-I'll make the weekly updates myself, so you won't have to post the whole ladder board each time you end a ladder game.
-No negative score, you'll never see a player with -30 pt.
-You can't play more than three ladder games per week. Some of the top players just don't have the time to play 10 ladder games per week.
-You can't play more than one game against the same player in a week.
-You have to make a map with the word "ladder" in its title, so the player who join your game knows exactly what he's playing for.
-A leaver is a loser, even in first turn. A player who concede the win must leave before his opponent.
-If I have some doubts about any result you post, I may wait to meet your opponent to officialize it.
-Salmacis won't be able to quote himself for the extra point. =(

Why is that damn Salmacis changing our good ol' ladder system?

These new rules are made to encourage people to play more ladder games.
The best players won't have to play many ladder games to stay in top 5 (thanks to the winning streak system).
The active players now have some chance to reach the top places (thanks to the point system).

There's nothing we can do about it?

I'm not a kind of Master Of The Ladder Topic, I just want to update it if nobody else does.
If you have an idea, or if you have a good reason to remove/change a rule, I would be happy (I mean very happy) to chat with you.
So before yelling something like "Ye Stupid frog, don't you dare to post that shit...", please make sure you brought some
constructive thoughts before clicking on the "post" button.

Want to give me your latest result? Appear in the ladder board? Give me suggestions? Cry on my shoulder?
Contact me in the lobby, and if you can't catch me, mail me at this_is_a_good_day@hotmail.com.

Last word for the admin.
Thank you again for the very useful shift+click feature!
I hope the observe feature in preparation will increase the general interest for ladder games!

Salmacis

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Paars ()
Date: January 29, 2008 09:02AM

In general a nice idea, but how many time you have to get back into the game with an internet drop.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 29, 2008 09:45AM

Hi Paars!
Internet drops happen.
But, if you are an honest player, you'll wait at least a couple of seconds so your opponent may rejoin the game.

The point of the "leave=loss" rule is avoiding that a bad mannered player (already got some kind of a list of em) leaves after a bad start and decide to ask for a new game.

In my opinion, when you have a bad start in a ladder game, you just have to handle it.

But we still can add a rule about the internet drops problem.

Sal.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Paars ()
Date: January 29, 2008 11:44AM

yeah, how about 3 minuts to rejoin the game.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 30, 2008 11:02AM

Unofficial Conqueror Ladder - Results - Month 1, Week 1

3 results.

Salmacis vs |--x--|: |--x--| wins. |--x--| gets 2 points + 0 ranking point + 0 straight win point. |--x--| gets 2 points.
|--x--| straight win bonus is now set to [1].

Salmacis vs Tinydancer: Salmacis wins. Salmacis gets 2 points + 0 ranking point + 0 straight win point. Salmacis gets 2 points.
Salmacis straight win bonus is now set to [1].

Myopia vs Salmacis: Myopia wins. Myopia gets 2 points + 0 ranking point + 0 straight win point. Myopia gets 2 points.
Myopia straight win bonus is now set to [1]. Myopia breaks Salmacis straight win bonus.

Kenruler, Paars, Attila, Banditt and KotL told me they will play soon, if you want these guys to stay behind you in the rankings, u'll have to play too!

Sal.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: January 30, 2008 11:13AM

____________________Unofficial Conqueror Ladder_______________________________

[Rank.Nickname]___[A.K.A]___________________[Total Points]
01.Myopia_________[None]____________________[12]
02.Hallali________[None]____________________[10]
03.Svendborg______[None]____________________[10]
04.Xuul___________[None]____________________[10]
05.Menegoyt_______[None]____________________[10]
06.Jynxxx_________[None]____________________[10]
07.Paars__________[None]____________________[10]
08.Jenny__________[None]____________________[10]
09.Liquid_________[None]____________________[10]
10.Soccer543______[None]____________________[10]
11.|--x--|________[Robin Hood]______________[2]
12.Salmacis_______[Some Arrogant Frenchy]___[2]
13.Kenruler_______[The Magickal Princess]___[1]
14.Master_________[None]____________________[0]
15.Teras__________[None]____________________[0]
16.Attila_________[Scourge Of God]__________[0]
17.Banditt________[None]____________________[0]
18.HearNoEvil_____[G'day mate!]_____________[0]
19.Golem__________[Stoned]__________________[0]
20.TinyDancer_____[None]____________________[0]
21.hst____________[None]____________________[0]
22.KotL___________[King Of The Lose]________[0]
23.

Quote of the week: (exemple)
"Imma tha magickal Princess kencuntia!" (Kenruler)
Kenruler gets the extra point.

Points were calculated by a french brain. If the total points doesn't match with the results, you made a mistake somewhere.

Want to give me your latest result? Change your A.K.A? Disappear from the ladder? Give me suggestions? Fill my mailbox with some scat porn pics?
Contact me in the lobby, PM me, or if you can't catch me, email me at this_is_a_good_day@hotmail.com.

Sal.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Attila ()
Date: January 31, 2008 07:57AM

May I suggest a more sophisticated point system for the ladder? It is a simplified version of the FIFA ranking, which gives lower ranked countries more points when they defeat a higher ranked country than vice versa.

It may look a bit complicated, but it really isn't. It basically gives the winner 5% of the 2 players' combined points (which is exactly how much the losers loses), when they are equally strong. Otherwise, the quotient of their resp. points is used as multiplier.

Here is the formula, with three examples, I hope the formatting isn't too miserable:


Points gained(lost) = 0,05 * rank points loser/rank points winner * (rank points winner + rank points loser)


Example 1) two equally ranked players (1000 points each) play:

Points gained/lost = 0,05 * 1000/1000 * (1000 + 1000) = 100

So the winner gains 100 points, the loser loses 100, and their scores will now be 1100 and 900 resp.


Example 2) a higher ranked player (1200 points) defeats a lower ranked player (600 points):

Points gained/lost = 0,05 * 600/1200 * (1200 + 600) = 45

So the winner gets 45 points, the loser loses 45, and their scores will now be 1245 and 555 resp.


Example 3) a lower ranked player (600 points) defeats a higher ranked player (1200 points):

Points gained/lost = 0,05 * 1200/600 * (600 + 1200) = 180

So the winner gets 180 points, the loser loses 180, and their scores will now be 780 and 1020 resp.


Of course, the rankings would have to be recalculated periodically, say once a week. I don't think it is doable to do it on a day to day basis. What I like about this system is that it doesn't really matter if you play 1, 5 or 20 games a week. OK, if you play more you are more likely to make big leaps in the ranking, but that can be either way, so it's not really an advantage.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Salmacis2 ()
Date: February 01, 2008 06:40AM

I can use this formula, if you find at least 2 persons to give me an approval.


Let me point some problems about this system:

-The first problem is that it doesnt encourage high ranking players to play against low ranking players. (winning 45 point is a waste of time, and a lose would be very painful)

-The second problem is that it won't encourage high ranking players to play ladder games very often (once they reach like 2000 points, they won't need to play any more ladder games).

-The third problem is that FIFA obliges the teams to play against each other, they've got a schedule. (actually, this is the reason why top ranking teams meets low ranking teams) I don't think we can add a schedule in a game like conqueror.

-Fourth problem: You have'nt posted a point loss system for unactive players. They HAVE to slip if they don't play!

Give me your opinion guys. I would be happy to change my formula if that's what you want.

Sal.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Kenruler ()
Date: February 01, 2008 12:05PM

I vote!


















Sal's way.

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Re: Conqueror Ladder System
Posted by: Attila ()
Date: February 01, 2008 09:57PM

Salmacis,

I don't see why it is a problem if high ranked players aren't encouraged to play low ranked ones. I think it is better if good players have to fight for their points hard. And it is better for new players too, they will not be bashed by all the top cracks, looking for easy points. Or maybe they will, but at least the gain will be smaller, and the noob will be somewhat "protected" :p

I propose a minimum of 1 ladder game/week. If not you lose 5% of your points (as if you had lost one game to an opponent of equal strength). Exception should be allowed for 2 vacation periods of max. 2-3 weeks/year without loss of points.

I don't think a schedule is necessary, as I don't see it as a problem who plays who. As I said, the number of games played is not decisive here. If someone wants to take a risk by challenging the #1 player, fine. If not, also fine :p

Is anyone good enough with excel to integrate this formula into it? I will try this weekend, but not sure if I will succeed :)

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