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Banning of the following needed
Posted by: ruler ()
Date: February 16, 2009 12:49PM

kimi IP [86.170.32.94]

JewDestroyer [96.231.174.80]

dead [62.136.206.171]

Note the usernames are unresgited so it best to ban the IPs. Whgat they did was flood the chat with spam and stupidness about killing jews and how their subhumans and all this other garbage that was pure trolling/flaming and making the game a unpleasant environment to play in. This game either needs a feature where users can turn off chat/ have a ignore list to blocks users or IP addresses or give people like Master or Parrs the ability to mute people.

Also Paars,Master,Emperror or Limbo or mojo can back me up on this.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Paars ()
Date: February 16, 2009 12:54PM

yeah these guys should get banned and jewdestroyer should get a range ban cuz he was changing ip's. They were being extremly racist.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: DirtyHarry ()
Date: February 16, 2009 08:34PM

Funny enough I talked with both Lancelot, Master and Nelson about this suggestion, to make a few more person with the authority to give people a ban, or a least just a temporary ban, just yesterday. This is not meant as a group of persons who can moderate the tone, but only step in, if its gets extrem, as I can understand it did yesterday (*note). They would also be able to step in if a hacker, like the one we have seen the past few days, is abusing the game. I know we have XuuL and in sometimes Alexey to step in, but unfortunately they are not here so often as many of us would like.

I could suggest a few person who would be good to have as such moderators, not because they are good players, but because they know the game, its history, they know the other players, they play regularly and they seems to be responsible and mature enough.: Hallali, Paars, Nelson, Lancelot and I wouldn't mind taking on the task myself, but thats up to others to judge.

Hopefully none of these will have much work to do, but they it will be good to have someone around if/when the problems happens again.

As I have said regarding the hacker issue before; If people can make such a obvious hack like the one we have seen the past few days, then people can make a hack that is more modest, and thereby harder to detect. If we know, that it is possible to hack that easy, then the mistrust and accusing will spread very fast. Playing with only people you know is the solution to this problem, make it so only registered people only can host is not the right solution, banning people is not a solution (but a necessary action to be taken as a consequence of the problem) - the only real solution for me to see is, that the security gap is closed, and that it is been done fast. I know that both Alexey and XuuL have other things to do than messing around with conquerorgame, and that they are doing a good job already, but I hope they will find the time to work on the solution soon.

*Note: In my opinion people can say fuck, call each other names, argue and so on for all I care - but going to the extremes and having no other point than to ruin the fun for everyone else is a good reason to give ban - after a warning though. Also using a hack/cheat should lead to a immediately ban. Yesterday the hacker/cheater was online, while Alexey also was, and Alexey was aware of his presence, without doing anything. This kinda made me sad... but I do hope that he had his reasons not to step in at that moment.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: GottMenschen ()
Date: February 16, 2009 09:08PM

I would like to add a person to that list.
I think i said a thing or two aswell, but without meaning any of it that serious as they did.

But Connor was also very anti jewish. Didnt get his ip address though.
Harry idea is great, since its only Xuul and Alexy who are admins at the moment, as far as i know. and you dont see them as often.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: -RIPPE- ()
Date: February 17, 2009 01:14AM

i am against more police to fight the cheaters/hackers, i am for finding the cause and close the security gap. as long as this takes i can live with cheaters/hackers.
dont panic!

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: jenny ()
Date: February 17, 2009 11:02AM

I am against the idea of kicking a person out bc of what they say.... why should someone be punished for their beliefs.... next thing u know ill be kicked out for critisizing ur mom!

seriously.... what happened to freedom of speech

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Master ()
Date: February 17, 2009 11:45AM

Jenny it is racism ...

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Limbo ()
Date: February 17, 2009 11:57AM

haha

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Limbo ()
Date: February 17, 2009 02:03PM

Gott, Connor = Jewdestroyer under different names

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Lancelot ()
Date: February 17, 2009 06:07PM

I think we have discussed this issue before, but I will mention the idea again.

I am not against people playing this game for what they talk in the lobby/chat (hacking is another issue though). Hence rather than a ban, a mute button which will be effective for a certain amount of time will solve the issue. My suggestion is that it will only be effective in the lobby, because if you do not like what people say in the chat, you can leave that game anytime, or change the chat screen to lobby and do not read it.

PS: I also think like Harry, and am not against crap talk/mocking/slang/curses. My suggestion is for some extreme cases only.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/17/2009 06:10PM by Lancelot.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: LikeNoOthers ()
Date: February 18, 2009 04:00AM

GottMenschen ? I "know" him

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: GottMenschen ()
Date: February 18, 2009 08:52AM

Who do you "Know" LNO.. ?

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Limbo ()
Date: February 18, 2009 12:02PM

I meant : i was talking to Gott and saying Connor=jewdestroyer..

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Comrade-D ()
Date: February 18, 2009 04:09PM

Even though Stalin killed 20 million people as opposed to the six million

Jews that died because of the Holocaust, Jews have suffered persecution since

time before the great war. While I was thinking about how we should react to any

bashing of those murdered under Stalin, I realized that it is hard to pinpoint

exactly who the people that were murdered were as it wasn't because of their

ethnic background that had them targeted. Rather, it was because (and I stand up

for correction if I am wrong) they were poor, a 'drag on the country' and were

exterminated in hopes to fulfill the Communist dream of prosperity for all

people. Therefore, it is easy to pinpoint that they were victims to one of man's

greatest committable crime , and that is murder. But because any bashing and

antagonism towards 'poor people' (though it is real) doesn't hit a chord as much

as the persecution the Jews faced does, we don't react so much to it as we do

when there is any mentioning of anti-semitism. Specifically speaking, we are

talking about people.......... People. People who breathe air just as you and I

do; they were gassed, burned, tortured, starved, beaten, shot, hung, castrated,

abused, ridiculed, ....exterminated. Regardless of what reasoning a person has

on another, a human life is life, and just as life was given to you and I, it is

not for us to decide when to take it.



Therefore, I believe that any support for the act of taking another person's

life is evil; whether the act has already been done or whether it is merely

mentioned as a wish is beside the point. The murdering of another human being

simply is just wrong.



Oh, and regarding the matter of freedom of speech, sure, I'm all for that. But

don't forget that consequences of what we say, regardless of the idealism of

freedom, is something we all must face.

~Comrade-D



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2009 04:17PM by Comrade-D.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: DirtyHarry ()
Date: February 18, 2009 09:07PM

Since some people don't get it.

1) Hate speech and racist speech is not included in freedom of speech - if it was it would violate more human rights than it protected.
2) Along with freedom of speech comes responsibility.
3) The suggestion is; that if people still wanna use hate speech and extreme racism they will have to find another place than conquerorgame.com to do it. Hence the freedom of speech, conqueror should also have to express themselves, and I think it would suit them very well, to make a statement that says: stop racism! . they cant stop it world wide, but they have the ability to stop it in conquerorgame.
4) Lancelots idea of a mute button is something that I personally would like the admins to discuss and take into consideration.
5) The real solution to the problem about the hacking, is not banning, but in my believes it is a necessary step to be taken as a consequence of that have happened.
6)If someone can hack the game so easily, how can we feel assured that all our games are carried out fairly? That our private emails or our IP's are safe? So far the hack have only showed us that its possible to hack and change the settings for one game, but if its so easy to do, and if the admins are so helpless when it comes to stopping him, then I am a bit worried.
7)Stop the security gap, and please do it fast.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2009 09:09PM by DirtyHarry.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: acro ()
Date: February 19, 2009 05:04AM

Re Harry's point 1: Hit the nail on the head, anyone who follows Dutch or British politics will probably have heard David Miliband talking about freedom of speech the other week and saying "there is no freedom to cry 'fire' in a crowded theatre". Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: Tiffany ()
Date: February 19, 2009 08:23AM

I actually feel proud to be a member of this Conqueror community. The response to this isssue has been outstanding by all here.
Hi fives especially to :-
Ruler, Paars, Dirty H, Master, Limbo, Lancelot, Comrade-D, Acro.

Also GottMenschen for his rapid retraction and repentance.
And Jenny too. - we need people with her courage to oppose the majority view. Go girlfriend !

I just wanted to add that racism is such an ugly philosophy only total idiots are happy to accept such a term.
I think it is better to recognise we are all capable of racism and of hatred and never let the poison seed grow in us. We should look to oppose it whenever we see it and never just laugh along or try to pretend it has no consequences, or causes no real suffering. By doing so we are a party to it.

"For evil to exist good men must do nothing."

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: GottMenschen ()
Date: February 19, 2009 08:44AM

Hooray For Tiffany.

I dont know what you meant about me.
But i did like the things you said below. We are all capable of racism and i think we, perhapse without meaning as much harm as jewdestroyer did, say some racist things about people.

Fx. Many danes dont want to be compared to the swedens.? That is also a kind of racism.. Alt med m├ąde as you say in danish. Dont know what you call it in english.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: DirtyHarry ()
Date: February 19, 2009 09:09AM

"For evil to exist good men must do nothing."

High 5 for that quote Tiffany.

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Re: Banning of the following needed
Posted by: jenny ()
Date: February 19, 2009 11:23AM

Just some thoughts...

1. If hate speech is not to be allowed on this sight, it must be applied across the spectrum, meaning not only racism but also sexism and vulgarity, each crude comment about some female, or the louse talk of porn should also be not allowed on this site.

2. Now granted I was not there to see first hand what was said, but I have heard many racial slurs towards Mexicans, French, Blacks Asians and Americans (hey I would say once a week I have been degraded for being American.... maybe I should give a list of people to be banned) but they have not beenbanned and you have all tolerated those statements.

3. But more importantly you should not be punished for your personal thoughts, ideas or philosophies; it is the acting on those thoughts, which should be condemned.

4. I am just asking you to step back and think through the severity of what you are saying, for your own sake, because honestly I would not mind the complete censorship of any prejudice statements on conqueror.

And as a last thought id like to leave you with another Edmund Burke quote

"Better be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident security."

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